My first model shoot. ! [Archive]

Photog

05-10-2002, 12:16 PM

I've done this before - it's a great way to gain portrait lighting experience and some portfolio pieces. In the case of trading her time for your's, the agreement I usually make is two rolls of film and processing, plus one 8x10 of her choice, AFTER I've edited the slides, and any other prints or film at cost. Obviously, this is just a guideline depending on how much cash you want to lay out. I wouldn't show her everything you have unless you are VERY confident. Models can be unbelievably sensitive about how they look on film, and if some of your shots of her are less than perfect, and she sees them, you'll have trouble on your hands! I don't ask for a model release on these shoots either. For one, the photos may not be very marketable in the traditional sense; and two, she intends to make her own living with her face and her images, and if you do intend to market her photos, some kind of royalty agreement should be made. It's only ethical, and could lead to trouble if you do otherwise.

bsphoto

05-10-2002, 12:44 PM

I do this quite a bit. 
 
I give the model everything. Good /ibb/skins/default/emoticons/redface.gif , everything. 
 
Then, if we can, we go through the pictures together. We look at each shot and talk about what makes this a good picture vs a bad picture. We make three stacks of prints "Good", "ok" and "never look at these again". We get 4 to 8 "good" pictures per roll of 36. 
 
It's a learning experience for both of us, she won't learn anything about modeling just by looking at good pictures and neither will I. 
 
Enlargements and reprints are at cost. I'm shooting print film and getting them developed at a mass-market lab. 
 
How you decide to do it is something you and your model need to work out in advance. 
 
I sometimes get a model release, I should get one ALL the time, but I'm lazy. The release I use enumerates the exact usage for the pictures: portfolio (print & web based), contests, exhibitions and public display. It also grants the model the exact same usage rights. 
 
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Photog

05-10-2002, 01:28 PM

I might be persuaded to agree on the ''looking at all the photos'together, except for one (afforementioned) bad experience, out of the perhaps dozen times I've done this. I DEFINITELY self critique the ones that didn't work and try to figure out what went wrong, or could have been done better. I ''spose that's a personal choice and has some advantages, but be warned! The one I spoke of had this idea that EVERY frame on the roll must be PERFECT or it means you're a lousy photographer! I exaggerate only a very little. And she was a fairly experienced model, albiet a bit of an unrealistic airhead. (That remark is not meant to reflect on the vast majority of intelligent, professional women and men models who know what should be expected from a photoshoot. And what's actually possible!)

Brendan

05-10-2002, 02:24 PM

I did my 7th TFP shoot this past weekend and have another this one. Do show her all the photos ( unless a few are terrible ) it is a learning experience for both of you. Do look at some of her other work before hand, not to do better but to see how she looks and what works on her. Every person is different. DO start out with the camera empty, run a few test poses and let both of you get relaxed. Shoot 1 colour 1 B&W and she gets the proofs ( 3x5 or contact sheets ) and 1 8x10 per roll. I normally offer 3 8x10's in B&W 1 colour but I quickly found the models asking for 10-15 different prints and they were willing to pay $25 each ( thats what their agency photographers charge them per print ). Keep the negs but do the prints at cost. Get an assistant ( any female friend will do ) and go out doors as well. Your pics only have to be good to ok to get them to come back for more, that and compliment them during the shoot, it boost your morale and theirs. I think you should get a TFP agreement 
 
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helps alot to.

Matt275

05-10-2002, 03:34 PM

Thanks for the info! In about 3 hours i'll be on my way to my first "test shoot" with a friend. 
 
The semi-professional model agreed to do the shoot if these photos turned out any good. I guess she doesn't trust me because i have no photos to show her yet, except for some sports shots /ibb/skins/default/emoticons/smile.gif 
 
Thanks again, 
Matt

Art

05-10-2002, 04:32 PM

I guess everyone does this a little different, so it may be nst to talk with the model to see what see expects. 
 
How I do this is a little different from those that have already posted. I give the model a CD with all photos taken. I do this so she knows that I'm not hiding something. I also explain that she and I both should expect about 1/3 of the shots to be no good at all. 1/3 of the shots will good and 1/3 of the shots will be what we're looking for. Of those last 1/3 a few will be be just totally outstanding. Any photographer that claims to get all shots perfect is just fooling himself and the model - they know this. 
 
If she whats any of them printed - I charge her cost. Usually 2 per roll and double the cost for any more. 
 
The thing is to be as fair as possible with her. That way she'll refer other models to you, for pay. 
 
Just a side note - most agency photographers will charge about $500 and take 3 rolls and provide 1 print from each roll.

bsphoto

05-10-2002, 06:20 PM

quote:Originally posted by Art: 
I guess everyone does this a little different, so it may be nst to talk with the model to see what see expects. 
 
 
 
THAT'S IT, right there, the #1 pearl of wisdom in the thread so far. Make sure the model knows and agrees to everything up front. 
 
Then, be sure to deliver your end of the deal.

bsphoto

05-12-2002, 11:54 PM

Well Matt, how did it go?

Matt275

05-13-2002, 09:37 PM

it's rescheduled for wednesday /ibb/skins/default/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

FLTimm

05-13-2002, 11:27 PM

I have shot about 5 models, and I always tell them in advance not to expect more than 4 or 5 good shots from a 36 exposure roll. 
 
I give them a CD with the pictures and a set of 4x6 prints. 
 
I have a model release that I can mail to you if you give me your e-mail address. 
 
FLTimm

Matt275

05-15-2002, 08:08 AM

Thanks FLTimm, 
I found a couple online that I'll probably use. If she actually shows up /ibb/skins/default/emoticons/smile.gif 
 
Matt 
( matt@godragracing.com if you want to send it anyway )

Matt275

05-16-2002, 12:09 AM

well, i just finished my first model shoot. It was fun. most of the shots were in direct sunlight (the sun was about 45 degrees behind my left shoulder) with a reflector used to light the dark side of her face. Some of the shots were in the shade, hope it wasn't to dark!! I guess i'll see how they come out on friday /ibb/skins/default/emoticons/smile.gif 
I went out and bought and used a circular polorizer for some of the photos also.. I hope they come out. 
 
Thanks for all the help! 
 
I'm nervous about how they will turn out.. lol

Brendan

05-16-2002, 12:39 PM

Don't be nervous, you'll get about 4-5 good shots and count the bad ones as a learning experience. Study the results and then go back to her, show her everything and then book another shoot with a different idea.

bvogts

05-16-2002, 07:17 PM

I hope your shots turned out well, Matt. I have read through this topic string and I would like to offer you advice, not from the perspective of a photographer, but that of a model. 
My partner recently shot my model portfolio, and although the usually $180 service was done for free, I was still required to sign a release. The release basically stated that all poses were done without coersion or force of any kind, and that he would deliver the two 8.5x11 prints and the CD of pictures in a timely manner. The release was not just for his legal protection but for mine as well, as it was stated in the model release that he would only reproduce pictures for his own portfolio as a photographer and would not release my real name, etc...and that I would not reproduce the pictures without his permission. Hope this helps...let me know if you have any ?''s.

bsphoto

05-20-2002, 06:44 PM

I still get nervous after shooting, that's one reason I'm so happy with my digital camera. I know what the pics look like! No anxiety! 
 
So, it's now Monday, you've picked up the film and looked through them. So... let's see one! 
 
Bill 
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Matt275

05-21-2002, 06:11 AM

Here's a link to a couple of the photos. <A HREF=http://www.godragracing.com/models/erin/" TARGET='_blank'>http://www.godragracing.com/models/erin/</A> 
 
I got a couple good photos from it.

Art

05-21-2002, 03:08 PM

You were able to get a few good shots.

photopro

05-21-2002, 03:31 PM

Model release forms can be found here: 
 
<A HREF=http://www.ibiblio.org/nppa/biz/forms/" TARGET='_blank'>http://www.ibiblio.org/nppa/biz/forms/</A>

Matt275

05-21-2002, 04:13 PM

I got a couple more good photos, but those were the best 6 out of six rolls of film. 
 
I did another model shoot on sunday and i'm waiting for those photos to be scanned. I think they will turn out a little better since they were shot in the shade with a light background and during the sunset /ibb/skins/default/emoticons/smile.gif 
 
back to being nervous again.. lol

Otto Wulff

05-21-2002, 04:37 PM

I would say be sure to get a signed model release 
form. If you don't the model could always come 
back and say something like " I thought we had 
an agreement here" you can get model release's 
at your camera store there not expensive. This 
could save you some trouble. 
I show the models all the photo's good and bad 
and go over them as to how improvment's can be 
made. All the models I have worked with also 
like it if I have some magazines they can look 
at to help them get motivated and it makes them 
feel more comfortable. Try it I think you will get 
a positive response. First ask them they will 
no doubt say yes. Then you will know what I'm 
talking about. 
The number of photo's two rolls of 4x6's would 
not be unfair. You will get various answers to 
this but, the best advice I can give to that 
would be talk to the model about it and come to 
an agreement and put it down on the model release 
form. 
Otto

Otto Wulff

05-21-2002, 05:11 PM

Matt if you are going to do model photography 
here is a rule of thumb to remember. If the 
photographer is paying the model the photographer 
has the final say. However if the model is paying 
the photographer the model has the final say. I'f 
TFP. work then you have to come to an agreement. 
But do get a model release because, you may find 
someone who may want to buy that photo you shot 
doing TFP. work then you have no release form 
and no sale. Also it is the photographer making 
the investment. 
Good luck! 
Otto

bsphoto

05-21-2002, 05:13 PM

Those look good! 
 
Thanks for sharing!

Matt275

05-21-2002, 08:10 PM

Thanks for the compliments and all the information.

FLTimm

05-21-2002, 10:35 PM

quote:Gracie makes a note to herelf...stay away from FLT!!!! 
 
4 or 5 shots??!!??? 
 
The poor models!!! You are dangerous with that weapon!!! 
 
 
 
Don't worry, I use innocuous ammunition. /ibb/skins/default/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Matt275

05-23-2002, 01:11 AM

my second model shoot.. 
<A HREF=http://www.godragracing.com/pics/denneen/" TARGET='_blank'>http://www.godragracing.com/pics/denneen/</A> 
 
this one went a little better /ibb/skins/default/emoticons/smile.gif

Matt275

05-23-2002, 01:23 AM

quote:Originally posted by <Gracie77>: 
I don't know much about cars so I was wondering...is there any particular reason why the wheels are turned instead of straight? /ibb/skins/default/emoticons/confused.gif 
 
 
To show off the chrome wheels. I did take a couple photos from the front/left side of the car but the background was horrible.