Ilford Pan F

[anton_t]

Thanks for starting a black and white segment on this forum..I'm sure it will be really usefull to alot of people.<BR>
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Recently I was gifted a bulk roll of Ilford Pan F 32 ANSI. The friend who gave it to me froze it for the bulk of it's life...telling me it is really old film.<BR>
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I developed 2 rolls in D-76 at 68 F for 11 minutes. They turned out pretty good, but not quite exact.<BR>
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Since I don't have too much of this film to spare...does anyone know an exact development time for it, off-hand? Although I could experiment..I don't really have enough technical experience or knowledge to accurately estimate a new development time off of the suggested 11 min, with reference to my results. <BR>
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Anything would be a help, otherwise I'll just have to try modifying my current times. <BR>
Thanks!!

[ronk]

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from ilford datav guide p 40,<BR>
ID 11 1+3 @ei 50 15min 68 degrees F.<BR>
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p44 ei 50 rodinal 1+50 11 min @68 degrees F.

[Jim-Jones]

Since we know neither what results you had with Ilford Pan F nor what you desire, it's difficult to advise you on changes to the development time and temperature. Ilford's data sheet for the current Pan F film is available at http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/pdf/Pan_F_Plus.pdf. Unfortunately, it doesn't include data on changing the exposure and contrast.

[JeffA]

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Ilford has a customer support section at the site Jim listed. Go to <A HREF=http://www.ilford.com TARGET='_blank'>www.ilford.com</A> and click on CONTACT US. They give contact phone numbers, so you could call them and explain your difficulties, and ask for a recommendation.<BR>
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Here is their USA contact info:<BR>
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ILFORD Imaging USA Inc<BR>
West 70 Century Road<BR>
Paramus, NJ 07652<BR>
1-201-265-6000<BR>
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Jeff

[davebcamera]

Kodak D 76 is very similar to Ilford's ID 11, and the times should be close.<BR>
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You developed D76 full strength for 11 minutes, which would indicate to me that it would be considerably overdeveloped. I suggest that you try the times RONK listed, they should be quite close. <BR>
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Also, Pan F really likes to be developed in dilute developers--full strength it gets a bit mushy and flat.<BR>
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One other note is that if the film you have is the original Pan F, not Pan F Plus, it will be very old and will more than likely show fogging quite a bit, even if frozen.

[skankymchee]

for my photography class we developed it in d76 @ 68f for 8 minutes

[JeffA]

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That would most likely be D76 undiluted. The standard recommendation for D76 1:3 at around 15 minutes at 68 F. Assuming PanF 2, of course.<BR>
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Jeff

[wickerparkbilly]

The 32 (ANSI) speed Pan F has to be at least THIRTY years old. Maybe Lynn Jones can shed some light on the age and development times (or method, including restrainers) required. Any development time you get would be just a rough starting point, and you may never get 100% satisfactory results. This is film best suited for casual use or experimenting.

[ProfessorLynn]

Hi Anton, Daniel was right,<BR>
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Panatomic X was a superb film that Kodak discontinued in about 1969 to 71.<BR>
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D76 1:1 was the very best combination<BR>
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68F 7 minutes<BR>
70F 6.5 minutes<BR>
72F 6 minutes<BR>
75F 5 minutes<BR>
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Lynn

[swanseamale47]

Panotomic X was a Kodak film it's not the same as Pan-f (Ilford) Wayne

[swanseamale47]

The 1960 Ilford manual of photography gives six and a half minutes, in stock ID11 (D76 is a very close formula) at 20c (68f) Wayne

[anton_t]

Thanks for all of the help, suggestions, and wealth of knowledge everyone contributed. I realize that its a really old film--and shouldnt really expect to get the same results I would from a brand new one. I'll use the suggested times, and in combination with my former results, I'm sure I'll get some decent results. Again, thanks alot everyone!<BR>
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-Anton

[swanseamale47]

Personaly I would shoot about 6 frames of an average supject in average lighting, in the dark cut it in half and dev half for the recomended time +10% then when it's dry examine the negs and decide a time from there, then try that time on the second 3 negs, and make any fine ajustments from there. Past experience of using old film (and this is old film) have taught me it usualy needs over developing, and usualy has increased base fog, how much varies by it's storage, yours may not be in too bad condition if it's been frozen as it slows down the ageing of the film. Wayne